THE SANDBOX
              Issue #18 ~ December 27, 1998

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Col-Hi / RHS Alumni and Participating in The SANDBOX #18:
John Allen (66), Lloyd Swain (66), Ray Wells (54),
Marc Franco (66), John Northover (59), Bob Mattson (64),
Mike Cook, Rodsoak (67)
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Subj:   For The Record
From:   miles2go@cheerful.com (John M. Allen)

Contrary to popular liberal opinion, Oliver North was
never convicted of, or even charged with, "Lying to
Congress."

Once again, a little honest research (as opposed to
knee-jerk emotionalism) always helps.  What's the next
"misleading" misconception?

---John Allen ('66)

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From:    Lloyd Swain  (66)
Reply To: LSwain6680@aol.com
Subj:     New Presidential Prerequisite Proposed

HEY, I'VE GOT IT!

The New Requirement for future presidents of these
United States...They must consent to castration prior to
taking the oath of office......WOW!..... Think  about
that for a moment...

Oh yea.... can you imagine this happening to a woman if
she were president?...

I love this country.!!!!!!

Lloyd Swain (66)
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STRAW POLE: Please Vote Yes or No on Lloyd's proposal:

All in favor of a Constitutional Amendment to implement
the above pre-oath prerequisite, please send your vote,
YES or NO, to THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com.  It will be
helpful if you put the words "Straw Pole - Yes" or
"Straw Pole - No" " in the e-mail Subject Line when you
"cast" your vote.  If you care to comment beyond just a
"yes" or "no," you are welcome to do that, too.
Remember--- Every Vote Counts!  We will keep and convey
a running tally of the results.

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Subj:   What am I missing?
From:   ray@transcribing.com (Ray Wells) (54)

Over the past year I have accumulated the following
information related to President William Jefferson
Clinton.

1. Arkansas troopers have testified that while Clinton
was governor in Arkansas he had the Arkansas State
Troopers pimping for him.

2. In addition to Monica, and Flowers who were
consenting sexual partners, he has hit on the following
unconsenting women: Kathleen Willy, Paula Jones.

3. Prior to testifying on 60 minutes.  Kathleen Willy
couldn't start her car and drive it to work because her
tires had been slashed.  When she walked out her front
door on her way to the bus stop she saw her pets lying
on the sidewalk with their throats slashed.  As she was
waiting for the bus she was approached by a strange man
who said, "How did you like what happened to your tires
and your pets?  And if you don't shut up about Clinton,
the same will happen to the rest of your family."

4.  The Judicial Watch Organization has filed suit
against Clinton for having approved the transfer of
missile guidance technology to Red China in exchange for
illegal and huge campaign contributions.  The charge:
Treason.  The result: China now has the technology to
guide an ICBM to the U.S.A.

5. Over 100 former acquaintances, associates, and
friends of Clinton have died under mysterious
circumstances.  Among the more prominent, Vince Foster,
and Ron brown.

6.  Vince Foster's death was ruled a suicide.  Ken Star
agrees it was a suicide.  The facts: Foster was found
lying in the middle of a muddy field, yet the bottom of
his shoes were clean.  The gun was in the wrong hand.
The blood from the bullet wound had dripped uphill.  His
car showed up in the parking lot half an hour after he
was found in the field.  Hillary had a crew shredding
documents in Foster's office while Vince was still lying
in the field.

7.  Ron Brown was said to have died in a plane crash,
yet his autopsy showed a 45 caliber bullet hole in his
skull.  Ron, by the way, was heavy into the transfer of
the missile guidance technology to China.

8.  Dick Morris, Clinton's former advisor, has been on
CNN and Fox News telling us that Clinton has a squad of
secret police, headed up by Cueball Carville, and that
Clinton uses this squad to intimidate those who would
speak up against Clinton.

9.  Persons have refused to testify against Clinton
because they feared for their lives.  Why do you think
Susan McDougal chose prison rather than to testify?

10.  At the same time that Clinton is calling for
forgiveness, closure and bipartisanship, Carville is
telling the press that he is out to get those
Republicans who voted for Clinton's impeachment.

11.  Alec Baldwin is interviewed on a major TV network
and shouts that Henry Hyde and Henry's family ought to
be murdered for what Henry has done to Clinton.

12. Robin Williams made the following statement on the
Tonight Show, last night:  "Impeaching Clinton and
allowing him stay in office is a bit like electrocuting
someone and leaving them in the chair."

Summary: Is Clinton beginning to look more and more like
a dictator and less and less like an elected official or
have I missed something?  At the very least, I'll never
watch another Alec Baldwin movie.

---Ray Wells

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Subj:    Dialogue with Dick Epler
From:    mfranco@sttl.uswest.net (Marc Franco) 
(66)

I would like to publicly thank Dick Epler for his long
response to my criticism of his comment  about early
resignation of Presidents. I still did not agree with
everything he said, but that is not necessary, of
course. I think that all any of us wants from anybody is
rational, well- reasoned opinions,  instead of
hysterical name-calling, and then discussion can go from
there. Dick, your long letter certainly is rational and
well- reasoned, and I thank you for that again.

As for the issues you raised- yes, actually I was aware
that Nixon did not plan or approve of the Watergate
break-in. He was guilty of what happened afterwards,
though.

Concerning which type of Republican has been caught with
his pants down, moderate or extremist- I really don't
know. You said they were moderates- I simply have no
idea. I might add at this point, though, that I don't
doubt for a second that  many Democrats are equally
guilty of this. It's just that under these exact
circumstances that some of the Republicans are being
named. Under different circumstances, I have no doubt
that some Democrats would be named as well

As far as the "weird sex" practiced by Clinton-boy, I
couldn't agree more. You named Clinton as a sexual
predator. I certainly see no reason to dispute that,
either. It's really disheartening.

As far as defending the Democratic party goes- in
honesty, I see no reason to do that. I actually do favor
the moderates of either party- (although Tony Sharpe
scoffed at this, I really do consider myself an
independent)- I think both parties are necessary for a
functioning democracy, and I remember telling one of the
most rabid conservatives on this board in 1994 that I
welcomed the Republicans taking over the Congress,
although I had strong doubts about the Gingrich-led
leadership of the party. I think it is important to have
the mantle of power pass back and forth between both
parties. I don't think it helps anybody to have one
party always in power, and the other party always
looking in through  the window. I mention this bit of
personal philosophy by way of explanation that the
Democrats will sort things out for themselves, by
themselves. There is no question that Richard Nixon did
tremendous damage to the Republican Party at that time,
and yet, after a few years of Jimmy Carter in office--
(good man, bad President)- the Republicans came back
stronger than ever. The Democrats will do this, also,
and so will the Republicans in their turn. As far as
defending Clinton himself goes- I don't think anybody
is. Everybody is horrified at what he did, both the sex
part and definitely the lying under oath. But some
people are interpreting opposing the impeachment as
defending Clinton. Nope- let him twist in the wind. He
does not deserve defending.  Unfortunately, the people
being hurt will be the people of this country. But
Watergate went on a lot longer than this mess has, and
the country recovered, and we will from this as well.

Dick, thank you again for your thoughtful response to my
critical comments (hopefully, not too critical) of your
earlier comment.

---Marc Franco

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Subj:  To Make Your View Known
From:   John Northover (59)
Mail To: jnorthov@spawar.navy.mil

For those that would like to make their views known to
your[our] senators, lowercase by distinct disrespect ...
, check this site out ... email addresses.

http://www.ojc.org/Webring/senate-email2.htm

I would recommend that each one of us take a few minutes
to compose a short email to let 'them' know exactly how
we feel.

Pass the address to others so they may participate in
this forum.

There are many excellent points that have been made by
the SandBox readers.  They all would make a difference.

Washington for the most part thinks we cannot think for
ourselves.

Yet, when they do not want to do their duty ... they
choose to listen to some inane poll that reflects the
lowest common intellectual level possible ...  Ignorance
[as in lacking information, unlettered, untutored,
illiterate, unlearned ... ] by choice!!

I ask you how many of those people do you think have
read a book in the last year???  In the last decade???
Our nation is experiencing a blight of cultural
cognizance that rivals the dark ages.

We as a people have reached a low point in our moral
standards.

Our universities, colleges, high schools, junior high
school, middle schools, end schools, ... have about 75%
of the students believe that it is OK to CHEAT!  One
student said "How do you expect me to get 'A's?" ...
WHAT??

Where did this attitude come from?  [rhetorical
question, answer it if you must]

After graduation ... these people will be handling your
finances, your health, the maintenance of your cars, the
building of houses, offices and stadiums.  Imagine a
worker in the back of a restaurant, the dishes have
backed up.  The individual cannot keep up with the
demand ...  Oh ...  Well, I will just rinse the big
pieces off and put them out in the 'clean' pile of
dishes.  Or a health worker checking blood samples for
... **you put the malady in here** ... It is time to go
home, but there are several more tests to run.  Oh ...
Wellll, do three and generalize the rest...

This is cheating, bending the rules, lying, word-
smithing, putting a spin on it, spinning and
controlling, a controlled spin.  It is logic retrorse at
worst!  I do not care how many people have 'done' it
before.  Just think back to your youth.  When everyone
was 'doing' it, I know your parents said "Would you jump
off a bridge just because everyone else was doing it???"
I know I thought about doing it a lot and actually did,
just because everyone else was doing it.

You can call it do-dooo, poo-poo, ca-caa, defication,
excrement, fertilizer, a doggie-loggie, droppings, ...
anything you want ... it is still SHIT and it stinks!!!

"I did not inhale," When smoking, does one have to
inhale to complete the act???  Is that not the formal
definition that exists in "BLACKS BOOK OF LAW" for
smokers?

"I did not have sex with that woman ... yatty, yatty,
yatty."

When sexing... is a passive participant not having sex?

"I did not tell a lie," When lying, does one have to be
chopping a cherry tree down??

"What is the meaning of 'is'?"  When ''ising' it, does
one have to swallow this crap???

If 60% is an accurate number of people that believe,
[not sure that is the proper word, because if one
'believes' in something, that implies a firm conviction
as to the reality or goodness of something...which is
not the case here.]  That Clinton should be kept in
office and only be censured.  Then we are only allowing
the Washington puss-bubble to build to a larger size.

We are now finding that a few of our leaders have gone
astray.

I am sure that many more will come out of the bedroom to
confess in the public market place of forgiveness.  They
will have to make a hard choice, now that Livingstone
has confessed and retired.

Yes, this has been going on for a long time ... but that
does not make it right.  Washington's puss-bubble is
reaching major zit size ... it is time to pop the rot
and let he who is without a rain coat stand aside.
Breaking a promise is lying.  Breaking an oath is lying.
Lying is lying and no matter what kind of a spin you put
on it ... it just makes it hard to pin down.

Our nation is heading for a hand basket.  We do not have
to accept anything less that the ideal, we can always
reach for what is perfect.  We may not reach it, but as
long as we reach in the right direction we cannot reach
in the wrong.

If we do not strive for perfection, in ten, twenty, or
so years, our children and our grandchildren will ask us
some very perplexing questions.  "Grandparent, Why did
you not care enough to keep truth pure and clean?  How
could you have let truth get so run down?"  How are you
going to answer that question???

Send an email to your senator and demand [do not ask,
remember they are "working?" for us].  Tell them you do
not want to answer any hard questions from your
grandchildren.

Tell them we want to pop the zit now and we can have
things cleaned up by the time our children and our
grandchildren grow up.

Thanks for letting me kick some sand around .... It was
fun.

Yours in perpetual confusion john '59 ... gee I just
noticed, that is almost biblical.  I said 'almost' and
was kidding!!!
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[Note:  The Sandbox would love to display copies of the
letters you folks send to legislators as well as the
responses you might get back! -ap]

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Subj:   Soldiers Christmas
From:   RMat683939@aol.com (Bobby Mattson (64))

I received this from my cousin, retired Army. Thought
the rest of the vets might enjoy these, especially at
this time of year. God bless you all and have a Merry
Christmas.

THE SOLDIERS NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS

By Major Bruce W. Lovely

(With Apologies to Clement Moore Who First Wrote the
Story for His Children in 1822 also credit given to
M/Sgt Noah Brazos Ross, a US Army 18th Field Artillery
survivor of Utah Beach, France, Luxembourg, Belgium,
Battle for the Ardennes, Deutschland; "Daddy's
Christmas" (Soldier's Christmas) written as a Bonita,
Montague County, Texas, highschool exercise in 1937.)

Twas the night before Christmas, 
he lived all alone, 
In a one bedroom house 
made of plaster and stone.

I had come down the chimney 
with presents to give 
And to see just who 
in this home did live.

I looked all about 
a strange sight I did see, 
No tinsel, no presents, 
not even a tree.

No stocking by the fire, 
just boots filled with sand, 
On the wall hung pictures 
of far distant lands.

With medals and badges, 
awards of all kinds 
A sober thought 
came through my mind.

For this house was different, 
so dark and dreary, 
I knew I had found 
the home of a soldier,
 
once I could see clearly.

I heard stories about them, 
I had to see more 
So I walked down the hall 
and pushed open the door.

And there he lay sleeping 
silent alone, 
Curled up on the floor 
in his one bedroom home.

His face so gentle, 
his room in such disorder, 
Not how I pictured 
a United States soldier.

Was this the hero 
of whom I'd just read? 
Curled up in his poncho, 
a floor for his bed?

His head was clean shaven, 
his weathered face tan, 
I soon understood 
this was more than a man.

For I realized the families 
that I saw that night 
Owed their lives to these men 
who were willing to fight.

Soon; round the world, 
the children would play, 
And grownups would celebrate 
on a bright Christmas Day.

They all enjoyed freedom 
each month of the year, 
Because of soldiers 
like this one lying here.

I couldn't help wonder 
how many lay alone 
On a cold Christmas Eve 
in a land far from home.

Just the very thought 
brought a tear to my eye, 
I dropped to my knees 
and started to cry.

The soldier awakened 
and I heard a rough voice, 
"Santa don't cry, 
this life is my choice;

I fight for freedom, 
I don't ask for more, 
My life is my God, 
my country, my Corps."

With that he rolled over 
and drifted off into sleep 
I couldn't control it, 
I continued to weep.

I watched him for hours, 
so silent and still, 
I noticed he shivered
From the cold night's chill

So I took off my jacket, 
the one made of red, 
And I covered this Soldier
From his toes to his head.

And I put on his T-shirt 
of gray and black, 
With an eagle and an Army patch 
embroidered on back

And although it barely fit me, 
I began to swell with pride, 
And for a shining moment, 
I was United States Army deep inside.

I didn't want to leave him 
on that cold dark night, 
This guardian of honor 
so willing to fight.

Then the soldier rolled over, 
whispered with a voice 
so clean and pure, 
"Carry on Santa, it's Christmas Day, all is secure."

One look at my watch, 
and I knew he was right, 
Merry Christmas my friend, 
and to all a good night!

Author's Note: I wrote this poem for Christmas Eve 1993
while assigned  to US Forces Korea ---Lt Col Bruce
Lovely, USAF.

(Printed in the Fort Leavenworth Lamp, 1995)
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Subj:    Bill and the Bull
From:    Mike Cook 
Mail To: cookiejo@email.msn.com

Bill Porter put it all in perspective.  Like most of the
country, I believe we need to get on with the realities
of our country. We can wax eloquently and passionately
but Bill C. is staying and the problems remain!  Bill C.
understands that and the rest of us should too.  Way too
much time, energy and money has been spent.

--Mike Cook

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Subject: There Are Airbags and There are Airbags RODSOAK@aol.com (67) says:

Please remove me from your list.  I've had enough
politics by airbags, excuse me, and airbags and
seatbelts and helmuts ..... to last me for the rest of
my life.  I plan to live mine and not sit in front of
some sreen and read these "opinions."

Seems like everyone has at least two things in common.

Got things to do.  Bye!

Your wish is our command, Rodsoak.  Too bad you didn't
feel you were able to introduce subjects to The SANDBOX
of interest to you, that might have been interesting and
beneficial to the rest of us as well.  I think we all
have a lot more in common than the two things you
obliquely refer to here, Rodsoak, especially with our
common Bomber heritage.  To paraphrase another Bomber's
contribution to The SANDBOX, "All of us together are
smarter than any one of us alone."

You are certainly welcome to come back any time,
Rodsoak, even if for just a short visit now and then..

Maybe you will think of something of positive value to
all of us that you'll want to share with your fellow
Bombers in The SANDBOX at some future time.  After all,
what you get here depends quite a bit on what you give.

--Al Parker, Sandbox Coordinator

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HOW ABOUT THIS IDEA, FOLKS.  As many of you as would
care to..  How about sending in THE TOP FIVE NEW TOPIC
IDEAS YOU would like to see discussed during the coming
year.  Even if you don't elaborate on your own
suggestions, YOUR ideas could inspire a great response.

Here are some items you might want to start talking
about right now:
  1.  YOUR PREDICTIONS FOR THE COMING YEAR.
  2.  HOW ARE YOU PREPARING FOR Y2K?
  3.  WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE ONCOMING YEAR 2000
COMPUTER GLITCH?  BIG PROBLEM OR SMALL?
  4.  IS Y2K REALLY A FULL YEAR AWAY OR ARE UNPLEASANT
THINGS GOING TO START HAPPENING IN APRIL, 199?
  5.  GOT SOME BOMBER TRIVIA QUESTIONS TO PROPOSE?
  6.  DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE FAMILY MOTTO?
  7.  WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROPOSE TO SOMEONE IN THE
SANDBOX?
  8.  HAVE YOU READ ANY GOOD BOOKS LATELY YOU WANT TO
TELL US ABOUT?
  9.  SOMETHING FUNNY HAPPEN ON YOUR WAY TO THE CLASS
REUNION?
 10.  SOMETHING SPECIAL YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR JOB?
 11.  THE MOST INTERESTING PERSON YOU EVER MET?
 12.  BEEN KIDNAPPED BY A UFO?  (Or know anybody who
claims they have?)
 13.  ANY HOT TIPS ON HOW TO PEEL A HARD BOILED EGG?
 14.  YOUR MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT?
 15.  MAKING MONEY FROM A HOBBY?

  --- TELL US WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ---  AND
PLEASE REMEMBER THIS: PARTICIPATION IS NINE-TENTHS OF
CONVERSATION!  IF WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS YOU
ARE INTERESTED IN, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BLAME?

BEST WISHES TO ALL DURING THE COMING YEAR FOR YOUR
HOPES, YOUR DREAMS, YOUR VALUES, YOUR PROSPERITY AND
GOOD HEALTH, AND FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE YOU HOLD
DEAR.

--Al Parker
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ANNOUNCING A NEW SANDBOX FEATURE:              
"WHAT BOMBERS ARE DOING NOW"
Updates on the Who The Why The When And Where of Bombers
Everywhere and Anywhere
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That's it for this issue of The Sandbox, folks.

Share your opinions, Your Feelings, Your Ideas and News
About YOU with all of us!   Please include your class
year in all contributions.  Thanks!

Tune in next time for comments from: Tony Sharpe, Ray
Wells and more!  
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