THE SANDBOX Issue #22 ~ January 10, 1999 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He gave man speech, and speech created thought, Which is the measure of the universe. >From "TO BE" -Percy Bysshe Shelley 1792-1822 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Express and Share YOUR Thoughts, YOUR Opinions, YOUR Measures of the Universe with other Richland Bombers All Around The World! MailTo:THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GIVE US YOUR PREDICTIONS FOR 1999! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bombers Sharing Thoughts and Opinions and Measuring the Universe Today: Barbara Chandler (59), David McAdie (79), Sherry Nugent Dupuy (62), William L Porter (68), John Allen, (66), Bob Rector (62), Mark Woodward (81), Tony_Tellier (57), Steve Carson (58), Dick Epler (58) Ray Wells (54), Bob Mattson (64), Becky Tonning Downey (73), Norma Loescher Boswell (53) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Barbara Chandler (59) (BCHANBCJR@aol.com) To: email@example.com Subj: Your Opinons - That's The Key! To Al Parker, thank you for promoting and giving your input to the Sandbox. I for one, am enjoying the insightful, heartfelt/gutfelt comments from those who take the time to express their opinions--THEIR OPINIONS. This is key folks. Your Measure for Measure quotes are soooooo thought-provoking, especially the last in the 1/6/99 SB...........won't quote it, but will give my interpretation. "If we let the law be whittled away, lessened in any way, we are diminished, our way of life, our very existence will be no more." Thank you again, Al, and all of you who routinely take that precious time to inform, sway, piss-off and, in general, get all of us thinking. Bless you fellow Bombers. The most thought-provoking new year to all. --Barbara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Norma Loescher Boswell (53) Boswellboswelln@oneworld.owt.com To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: THE SANDBOX Issue#21 1/6/99 Your Shakespeare quote prefacing the BOX is exquisitely appropriate! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: David McAdie (79) email@example.com To: THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com Subject: A LITTLE SCARE FOR YA :) All this talk of Mr. Clinton and his shenanigans has prodded me into responding. Three words should scare the hell out of all of us --- President Al Gore!!!! I am actually more disturbed by his "suspiciously" silent wife Tipper. You realize that if Clinton is removed from office (either voluntarily or otherwise) before about Jan 20th, or so, he could only serve one additional term, but if it is after that date, he could finish Slick-Willie's term and serve 2 of his own!! Partisanship aside, if Bill Clinton was more of a man, he would have - with much humility - truthfully acknowledged his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, begged for forgiveness, and gone about business as President and taken his beatings as they came. Instead, he has continued his lying ways, ("I did not inhale" started it all), in defiance and in the face of all of us. He does not deserve to be called "President" and I have carefully not used it in reference to him. Has anyone noticed his nose has become redder these days - like Boris Yeltsin ?!?!?!?!? The bottle will kill ya - if the cigars don't :) Best wishes for 1999 to you all! Dave McAdie firstname.lastname@example.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Sherry Nugent Dupuy (62) Write to: Granshery@aol.com) Subject: Re- TEA PARTY Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:24:40 EST For Patty Stordahl- You write: "...To Hell with the hungry, homeless, & deprived in our countries..." [Referring to perceived attitude of government subsidizing other countries before caring for our own homeless and deprived.] And what about to Hell with the average Joe who follows the rules and pays the taxes that the fat cats in DC play with? Never mind the $40 mil spent on THE investigation....if Clinton had just had the testicles to come clean a year ago..may have been only $30 mil (g). His recent China trip costing millions to take along his entourage just gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling I could spit. YES to the TEA PARTY!!! One lump or two?? Sherry Dupuy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: William L Porter (68) Mail To: William.Porter2@PSS.Boeing.com To: email@example.com Subject: A FEW COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING In this digest format it is hard for me to try to respond to each thought presented. Has anyone considered a message board attached to the Bomber site? Probably not economically feasable. Anyway, I enjoy reading the varying opinions. The only posts that concern me are the one's from people who want off because the Sandbox is left or right leaning. Maybe concern is too strong a word. Do what you want, but to leave because one viewpoint seems to dominate, means the viewpoint you don't like will dominate more. If people leave because they just dont care about the topics is a more legitimate excuse. I think its important to try to understand other viewpoints. In Northern Ireland, people would probably use the excuse to leave this board because there are too many Catholics or Protestants. In the 50's the excuse would be too many Communists. ...I'll refrain from any other analogies. I still dont buy that Clinton's actions or the 'Republican' impeachment is doing harm to our nation. This is still an ongoing experiment in democracy. If we look at our lives, our family's, our neighbor's, or our community's, I dont see any catastrophic changes happening. And at the conclusion of this Federal government 'event', I still dont forsee any major changes. The question to me is, with the division of opinion that abounds, how many people, who find this an emotionally charged issue, will be able to accept the result of this 'democratic process' if it doesnt turn out the way they think it should? In the end it will be our own bitterness and feelings about lack of 'justice' served that will bring harm and breed diviseness far into the future. What we have here is a discussion that will have very little affect on the process in Washington D.C., as that process has little affect on our day to day lives, unless we let it. When each of us thinks how this will affect our children, think first how the children observe your behavior, for that is the most profound example, not the behaviour of a politician clear across the country. Will you be providing children an example of uncompromising bitterness long after the event has ended? I was reacquaintted the other day with the Chinese symbol of the word 'crisis', which is made up of the symbols of 'danger' and 'opportunity'. We have an opportunity to be an example of how people of diverse points of view can work through issues at hand and become better people and a stronger democracy. William L. Porter "The right to suffer is one of the joys of a free economy" -Howard Pyle, aide to Pres. Eisenhower ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: John M. ALLEN (66) firstname.lastname@example.org To:THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com Subject: TRULY Intelligent Women I have been eagerly awaiting the next knee-jerk, bleeding-heart, emotion-blinded, feminist to complain about "Insecure, Old White Guys" who are "afraid of intelligent women" and Kathy Hills Krafft (67) just couldn't help walking right through that door in issue #21 of the SANDBOX. Arizona is very probably the second most conservative state in the Union, (Utah being #1), and on Monday of this week, REPUBLICAN (read that "Conservative") women were sworn in to FOUR of the five highest offices in that state's government (specifically Governor, Secretary of State, State Treasurer, and Superintendent of Public Education). These Republican women won while garnering between 58.2% and 97.5% of the vote, depending on the individual race. The lone Democrat woman who won the Attorney General's race, won with a 2.9% margin of victory. Of course, I suppose that if you're a conservative woman, you don't really count as a woman, or at least not as an INTELLIGENT woman. By the way, approximately 1/3 of Arizona's legislators are also women. That is the highest in the nation. So much for your insupportable, Democrat Party regurgitation about insecure, old white guys. And if Elizabeth Dole happens to get the Republican nomination for president in the year 2000, don't count on any fall-off in male conservative voters. I'm not predicting Dole in 2000, but I'll have no problem whatever voting for her if she gets the nod. You women's libbers better start figuring out how to explain that phenomenon if it happens to be the Republican Party which becomes the first in history to nominate a woman for the top job. It could easily happen and would be a striking example of what the Dems need more of (substance over style) instead of what they have in too great abundance (style over substance). As for Hillary's intelligence, if you actually bother to read the history of the Clinton's investment in White Water, there is absolutely nothing intelligent about how Hillary handled that mess. (I recommend Blood Sport, written by a Pulitzer Prize winning LIBERAL, James Stewart, to educate yourself on the intricacies of White Water.) She made money on the cattle futures because she WASN'T handling the guts of that investment. Finally, if you know her history in general, you also know that she has accomplished next to nothing except on the coattails of her husband. Let her run for something on her own hook and we'll see how far she gets with her condescending, "first grade teacher" oratory. Go back to your drawing board, Kathy, and see if you can come up with a few of your own arguments instead of the swill you hear airheads like Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray saying on TV. John Allen ('66) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Mark Woodward (81) email@example.com TO: THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com Subj: Y2K WILL RENDER FERBIES SPEECHLESS [Mark sends us a copy of this correspondence, ostensibly written by a Hasbro Employee.] QUOTE: "From: firstname.lastname@example.org Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 3:50 PM To: My Friends Reflector Subject: Ferbie and Y2K!! "Just because I work for Hasbro doesn't mean I made this up. This has been the laugh of the plant since we found out about it earlier today." "Lo and behold, of all the hype surrounding the Y2K problem -- the threat of downed banks, electric service, emergency government services, etc. -- the one thing that has been 100% confirmed to not work come 1/1/2000 is last Christmas' toy craze - the Ferbie! This is not a joke!" "The Ferbie contains a voice chip manufactured by an Asian company (a vendor of Tiger's - Tiger manufactures the Ferbie) that apparently was less concerned with the Y2K problem than with a quick fix for their economic woes. A former Consumer Reports Engineer/Tester discovered the problem. "lesser" (aka "cheap") chips were utilized, and because of a small component of the voice chip associated with the Ferbie's "Happy Birthday" routine, the little fur balls won't work come 2000. I guess Greed breeds Greed as this year's holiday hit only has a shelf life of 1 year! Despite my objectivity, please pass this along to your friends." UNQUOTE -sent by Mark Woodward ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Bob Rector (62) email@example.com To: THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com Subject: I stand with Vince Bartram '62 For Vince: Howdy Vince! I remember how much fun you and Jerry Liddell made our govt. class. I should have paid closer attentiion....and read a whole lot more. Anyway, now that we are adults, the truth can be "evaluated, argued, accepted, rejected, etc." Along with "Facts, AKA objective evidence" there are two very important qualifiers that everyone adds to the mix. **Remember, we are all adults here: *Number One: "Folks are individually convinced that they do act "rationally," but in truth, we All act on emotion." *Number Two: "People Believe, (especially in religion) what they Want to believe." Vince, I remember how Jerry Liddell could rattle off all of Elizabeth Taylor's last names. I have lots of other fond memories in my "dept. of useless knowledge." --Take Care. Bob Rector, '62 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Tony_Tellier@compuserve.com (57) To: firstname.lastname@example.org> Subj: DISEMBARGO CUBA, AND YOU WILL SAY: "I FEEEEEEL GOOOOD!" >1. Should we "disembargo" Cuba?< Absolutely: We will convert them with capitalism and cash. Not to mention car collectors flocking to the Commie-ridden island to gobble up those 50s and 60s Chevies! The Domino Theory will work: look at the Eastern Bloc ... East Germany. Bohemia, etc. Havana goes back to the mob. Open a chain of Kentucky Fried Chicken shops. Ain't life sweet. I feel better now. I feel better than James Brown. How do you feel? Tony T, Yumaville, AZ USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Steve Carson (58) (SteveNitro@aol.com) To: email@example.com Subj: "GET LOCAL" For Gene Tosper: Well spoken. I particularly agree with your "Get Local" statement. Education and Welfare are two issues that should be driven to the lowest Levels of government. There is no reasonable role for the Federal Government in education. My Brother-in-law just retired as Supt. of Schools for a large district in Michigan. The Federal Regulations were so onerous that they always took the course of least resistance. For example they just gave everyone free school breakfast and lunches since that was easier than setting up to qualify and administer the program. Steve Carson (58) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Richard Epler (52) (firstname.lastname@example.org) To: THE_SANDBOX@hotmail.com Subject: NEW SUBJECTS I think our SANDBOX moderator, Al Parker, may trying to encourage us to expand our subject matter a bit. In this spirit, I offer the following opinions: 1. Should we "disembargo" Cuba? Yes. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where it's in anyone's National interests to continue the embargo of Cuba. Communism is no longer a big threat. Russia is no longer able to support Cuba. The Cuban people are suffering big time. Castro seems amenable to closer ties with the US, and it's really in our best interests to do what we can to help all who are as close to our shores as Cuba. Interestingly enough, it seems it's mainly the "Cuban Americans" who want the embargo to continue. 2. Does The Executive Order process give too much "legislative" power to the president? No. The EO process as it was initially conceived is necessary. On the other hand, Clinton's unconstitutional use of the EO process is bad for the nation and needs to be challenged by the appropriate branch of Congress or the Judicial branch. We shouldn't get rid of a good law because an unprincipled President chooses to corrupt it. To do that implies we should get rid of the Constitution itself. Here's something I find most people don't know or understand very well. None of our laws are validated until litigated ... and then the law is only validated in a very limited context. This is not to say you or I should ignore a law we believe (or know) is unconstitutional ... it means only, that if we disagree, the proper recourse is to litigate. On the other hand, we might simply take our chances and ignore the law in the hopes no one will press the point, which is what Clinton and many others do. Clinton knows that his use of EOs is often unconstitutional. In a remarkable moment of candor, Clinton essentially stated that he considers the law, including the Constitution and his Oath of Office optional, when he acknowledged that his permanent appointment of Bill Lann Lee without Senate confirmation in December 1997 was "... not entirely constitutional." Unfortunately, that tactic wouldn't work for you or I. Here's another fine point: You generally can't challenge a law unless you have "standing." In the matter of EOs, only Congress or the Judicial Branch has standing and can challenge Clinton's use of EOs. Clinton knows this. He also knows that it is highly unlikely that the AG (Reno), or anyone in Congress, is going to challenge his use of EOs. To play the game, you gotta know the rules! But that's the "lawyer mentality" of core democrats that I contend is so harmful to our Nation. This lawyer mentality is, at its core, a sophisticated use of the old dictum "The End Justifies the Means."
A dictum embraced by revolutionaries and terrorists throughout the world as justification for their unlawful acts. It seems a complacent Congress won't protect us against a corrupt Executive branch ... unless, as John Northover would say, we elect NOT to be ignorant any more. 3. Should professional football reinstate Instant Replay? Probably, but not in its previous form. I'm sure the officials are no better or worse than they've ever been. It's just that the technology used by the TV replay crews is so much quicker and better. Nevertheless, the officials must have the last say. This is not yet like the Roman Games where a popular "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" vote is requested. Ideally, the officials get to view questionable plays before the fans do, then make their decision and move on as quickly as possible. No one liked the delays incurred by the previous system. Dick Epler (52) email@example.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Ray Wells) (Class of '54) Since you asked, Al, 1. Should we "disembargo" Cuba? Only when they are ready to convert to a democracy -- this probably means not until Fidel Castro is dead. 2. Does The Executive Order process give to much "legislative" power to the president? Yes, the Executive Order process needs some limitations attached to how it can be used. 3. Should professional football reinstate Instant Replay? This is the easiest one to answer. Absolutely, yes! However, the number of instant replay requests should be limited to each team, like timeouts, and the plays to be reviewed should be linked to a first down or touchdown or significant penalty. By the way, I'd like to see the Y2K bug and Weather/Earth Changing events discussed in the Sandbox. -Ray Wells ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Bob Mattson (64) RMat683939@aol.com Subj: What, Oh, Ha! Fans, Players, Cigars, Executive Zipper Has Not Escaped Hilary's Grasp. NBA Pay Per Dribble Plan Proposed, HMO's too high. Gosh gang, I've been pointed out in a crowd of two. A Hillary hater? What, oh ha! Get a few drinks in her then watch out huh? Hey Kathy 67, I'm on your side. Those other knuckle draggers are the ones to watch out for. They have been very bad, and should be spanked for thinking Mrs. Bill is a poor excuse of womanhood in the 90's. What fun, but she isn't even reading this so... #1. [Regarding NBA going back to work.} Being a shop steward for the teamsters for 15 years I know that the players folded like a six bounce inbound pass, they bailed, and, they are back. #2. [Should Cuba be Disembargoed?] Of course, embrace Cuba. I have to go through hoops just to get a few cigars [a very subtle suicide] not to mention all those wonderful images of fruit hats and rum on a sunset beach. #3. [Executive Order- Too Much Power?] Excuse me, but that's why they call it the Executive Order, better that than a great swell of excitement and then an agreement, who listens to the fans anyway huh? #4. [Should Instant Replay Be Reinstated?] Only if they can rewind to the phony touchdown that put the Seahawks out of the playoff's. Is Hillary really happy anyway? Has she been putting up with this zipper indulgence for a while? >From what I gather, she's not so dense that it has escaped her grasp over the years. I'll play an NBA basketball game for oh, a $100.00, no, $600.00 a dribble, OK, how about $1500.00 and a piece of the concessions. Yes, That's it, $15.00 beers and $22.75 burgers. Does the public really care? Well, What's the offer? Let them fall where they may, bomber Tuna, 64. Lets start up on HMO's, 7% increase this year alone. OK? -Bob Mattson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subj: Y2K Glitch From: John M. Allen (66) Reply to: email@example.com FLASH ANNOUNCEMENT! Microsoft announced today that there will be an unexpected delay in the release of the newest version of their popular browser software. Due to a slight glitch, the "Windows 2000" program will be delayed until the first quarter of 1901. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Becky Downey (73) (firstname.lastname@example.org) To: email@example.com (Gary B.) Subj: THANKS, BUT SICK OF THE CLINTON THING [From a Bomber Web Site Guest Book] Hi Gary and Maren, I want to thank you again for all your effort and work on this wonderful site!! I'm really enjoying all the readings from past and present alumni!! I know the Clinton thing is big right now, but is anybody else besides me getting a little tired of this whole thing??? It's 1999. Can we find something brighter and more positive to start talking about?? I'm sorry if I offend anyone, I'm just sick of hearing about it all the time and then reading it here too. It has been interesting, though, to read all the different opinions..! Take care and thanks again! -Becky Tonning Downey (73) [Believe us, We feel your pain, Becky, but comments about the "Clinton thing" are likely to continue as long as Clinton does. As one news commentator always used to say, "And That's The Way It Is." But believe this please: We certainly welcome also, the bright, the positive, the beautiful and whatever else you wish to talk about. If anything you have to say is worth saying anywhere, it's well worth saying here. WE ARE LISTENING TO YOU! Remember this also: Wherever you are in the world, right now, you are also here. And regardless of how heated some of the exchanges may seem at times, YOU ARE WITH YOUR FRIENDS! What could be more POSITIVE than that? -Al Parker, YOUR SANDBOX coordinator.] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MORE TABLE TOPICS UP FOR GRABS: (Pick one (or more), if you like, and tell us what you think. 1. Any ideas on how to preserve SOCIAL SECURITY? 2. IS THE WORLD GETTING TOO HOT? OUR FAULT, OR NOT? 3. HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY Y2K EFFECTS YET? Some think effects are begining to appear well ahead of 12:01 AM, January 1, 2000. How about your bank accounts, your computer, your VCR, your source of power, your water supply, your Ferbie doll? How will the sewers be functioning? What about computer controlled medical equipment. What about inaccesable imbedded chips in systems that are not Y2K compliant? Are nearby nuclear reactors secure? Will there be automatic shutdowns or meltdowns when the year "00" is interpreted to mean 1900, not 2000? What about our military, what about sattelites, what about global positioning abilites, communications, radio, TV? What about your car? Will you be able to buy groceries and gasoline? Will your employment collapse? Does it concern you at all that Pacific Power is trying to sell itself off shore to an Irish company? Would it be prudent to make a few preparations, just in case? What steps would be reasonable to take for the safety, health, comfort and security of yourself and your family? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That's it for this issue of The Sandbox, folks. My personal thanks to everyone who has contributed to this issue of THE SANDBOX. --Al Parker (53) -- Sandbox Coordinator -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -22-