The SANDBOX 
                 Issue #66    June 15, 2000
        Ideas - Opinion - Personal Experience

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      "This is our environment . . . 
      embracing our senses and mind . . . 
      beautiful in its desolation . . .
      dominated by the sun and the atom . . . 
      It will change . . . 
      and so will we . . . 
      but this is our remembrance of it in 1966."            
                      -1966 Columbian


Look Who's Talking Today!

     "In recent months, the Attorney General and
 the INS have repeatedly stated that families
 should be together.  In Miami they demonstrated
 their commitment to this ideal by resorting to
 armed violence to reunite a father and son.  Yet
 these same federal agencies have kept my son (a
 U.S. citizen) and his wife (a foreign national)
 separated since last July while he tries to weave
 his way through the bureaucratic red tape
 involved in obtaining an immigrant visa for her.."
                      - Robert Shipp '64

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     "He will be remembered for his womanizing
 and His lying as his legacy as President, just as
 Nixon is remembered for Watergate, Johnson for
 Vietnam, Carter for the Iran hostages. In his
 actual actions as President, I really do not think
 he has been that bad."
                       - Marc Franco '66

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     "If any one doesn't think Brad is correct in his
 Cuba in the Future, they had better take a look at
 the States of Oregon and Washington since the
 "TREE HUGGERS", Sierra Club and other self
 serving groups came in and Saved Us from
 ourselves."
                      - Gus Keeney (57)

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     "...compute for me the probability that in the
 normal course of events during the last 4 years
 or so,  Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Elizabeth
 Ward Grayson... and most recently, Juanita
 Broaddrick ... would all have been audited by the
 Federal IRS."
                        -John Allen '66

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     "No matter how much Jell-O we put in a
 swimming pool we will not be able to walk 
 on water."
               - Verla Farrens Gardner '61

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     [Re Elian Gonzales] "...has anyone considered
 what the outcome would have been if the roles
 had been reversed?"
              - Linda Reining Pitchford '64

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     "He said he would like to come home, but he
 would like to bring a friend home to live with
 them also, who was missing an arm and leg."
                    - Bob Mattson 64

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The SANDBOX, Issue #66, Salutes:
                       The Col-Hi/RHS Class of 1966

    To get to the '66 Home Page, go to: 
    All-Bomber-Links-
    http://www.bigfoot.com/~RichlandBombers
    When you click on 1966, you will find:

Pictures, Email Addys, Coat of Arms, Senior
 Poll, even grade school pictures and much more,
 including such memories as these:

               This We Will Remember . . .

     The amber sunset radiating into blue, 
      merging with the desert . . . 
      the searing sun reflected 
      in the coldness of a broad river . . . 
      the skeletal sage covering barren hills . . . 
      And below their dusty slopes, 
      gray domed reactors hide a core
      of searing energy . . . 
      And a small city . . .

      This is our environment . . . 
      embracing our senses and mind . . . 
      beautiful in its desolation . . .
      dominated by the sun and the atom . . . 
      It will change . . . 
      and so will we . . . 
      but this is our remembrance of it in 1966."               
                      ~1966 Columbian~

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Now, get ready for:
     More of What We're Talking About Today!

Subj: Reply to Barbara Doyle and Andrew Eckert
From:   Marc Franco (66)
Reply-to: mfranco@sttl.uswest.net

I wish to thank Barbara Doyle for responding to
 my question about what exactly Bill Clinton has
 done that is so different from other Presidents,
 other than the Monica affair. And I do thank
 you, Barbara. you made some nice points, but it
 will probably not surprise you to know that I do
 not agree with all of them. The "lying under oath
 and being caught at it" as far as I know was only
 in the Monica case, and maybe Paula Jones- in
 other words, about his personal immorality. I am
 still excluding that in terms of what he has done
 as President. Please understand that I am
 absolutely NOT excusing him for his actions.
 Most of the Liberals are as disgusted and
 horrified about it as anybody else, and I am no
 exception. However, I do not see that as a threat
 to the country, as was Watergate or the Iran-
 Contra affair. Obviously, the moral implications 
 concerning the youth of our country cannot be
 forgotten here, but that is another can of worms,
 which I would rather not go into here. Lying to
 his Cabinet and his friends, again, as far as I
 know, was only involving his extramarital affairs.
 Did he do that in any of his Presidential actions?
 I don't actually know- I'm asking. Concerning his
 depletion of the military- I actually agree with
 you on that. Jimmy Carter did the same thing,
 and then they had to be rebuilt when Reagan
 came in. However, Clinton's depletion of the
 military is not a reason to hate the man. All
 Presidents do things we do not agree with. His
 opinion is that the military could be depleted. If
 you or I do not agree, then we vote for
 somebody else next time. I agree with your
 point, but not with that it's a reason to hate the
 man. As far as hanging Reno out to dry- what
 would other President's have done in similar
 situations? I assume you are referring either to
 the Waco situation, or to the Elian affair. Both of
 these ARE the Attorney General's province. The
 president must set the policy, and ultimately
 takes the blame for anything, but these ARE the
 jobs of the AG to deal with. Incidentally, I
 agreed with the return of Elian to His father.
 Conservatives are often preaching "family
 values" as if nobody else has any, but obviously
 family values do not apply if you are a 
 Communist. And many people in the world do
 not share the American opinion that America is 
 the best place in the world for children.

         Again, Barbara, thanks for your reply.

I would also like to thank Andrew Eckert for his
 kind comments about some of my postings. It IS
 nice to receive support once in a while.
 However, believe it or not, Andrew, I do not
 really agree with your statement that Clinton is
 the best president of our time. He will be
 remembered for his womanizing and His lying as
 his legacy as President, just as Nixon is
 remembered for Watergate, Johnson for
 Vietnam, Carter for the Iran hostages. In his
 actual actions as President, I really do not think
 he has been that bad. He does deserve credit for
 the good economy. Alan Greenspan, by any
 standard deserves the lion's share of the credit,
 and we all know that- but Clinton would have
 been blamed if the economy had been bad- all
 Presidents are- so he deserves some credit for
 shepherding a good economy all these years.
 However, in terms of his actual
 accomplishments, Clinton really has not done
 much. He's been lucky in that there have been no
 foreign affair disasters, no economic disasters-
 really, only a smattering of fairly mild events for
 the entire term of his presidency. (Obviously,
 there have been murders, terrorism, etc. But this
 is always true for any President.) Clinton has
 functioned well as President, except for his
 womanizing, disgusting as that is. But he really
 has not done anything more than to have
 functioned well.
    I do thank you again, Andrew, and hope you
 do not mind my mild disagreement.

                   - Marc Franco (66)

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Subj:    Thoughts on Elian and US Immigration Policy
From:   Robert Shipp ('64)
rshipp@gateway.net (Robert Shipp)

1. Consider the following hypothetical situation:
 A woman flees from with her young daughter
 from her homeland - a nation where the rite of
 "female circumcision" is practiced - to spare her
 child this torture.  Upon arrival in the United
 States the mother dies, leaving the daughter in
 the care of relatives already living in this country.
 The girl's father arrives and demands the return
 of his daughter.  Would the INS consider for one
 minute sending her back to such a fate?  If it did,
 there would be such a clamor from human rights
 groups, feminists, religious leaders and
 politicians on both sides of the aisle that the
 government would immediately move to block
 her return.  If sending a child back to certain
 physical mutilation is anathema to Americans,
 why are we not equally opposed to sending Elian
 Gonzales back to face certain spiritual and
 intellectual mutilation at the hands of the Castro
 regime?

2.  In recent months, the Attorney General and
 the INS have repeatedly stated that families
 should be together.  In Miami they demonstrated
 their commitment to this ideal by resorting to
 armed violence to reunite a father and son.  Yet
 these same federal agencies have kept my son (a
 U.S. citizen) and his wife (a foreign national)
 separated since last July while he tries to weave
 his way through the bureaucratic red tape
 involved in obtaining an immigrant visa for her. 
 He currently works two jobs while attending
 school full time in order to afford plane fare so
 he can be with his wife for a few weeks at each
 school break.  I personally know several other
 young Americans who find themselves in similar
 situations.  Perhaps if the government spent as
 much effort and money on the "routine" cases as
 they do in providing lavish accommodations for a
 6-year old Cuban boy and granting instant visas
 to his father, grandmothers, schoolmates,
 teachers, etc., my son and others in his situation
 might be able to get on with their lives.

                    - Robert Shipp '64

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Subj:   Brad Upton on Cuba:
From:   Gus Keeney (57)
sgkeeney@ados.com

If any one doesn't think Brad is correct in his
 Cuba in the Future, they had better take a look at
 the States of Oregon and Washington since the
 "TREE HUGGERS", Sierra Club and other self
 serving groups came in and Saved Us from
 ourselves. It won't be long until the whole
 Northwest is Just a Big Park for them to come
 visit leaving only service oriented jobs for the
 people that live here all year long.  The Timber
 industries were self sustaining until the control
 was changed from local to federal. Most of us
 watched our jobs go overseas.

To Heck with it!! I'm moving to Yuma AZ. !!!!!

                      Gus Keeney (57)

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Subj:    PROBABILITY ???
From:   John M. Allen
Reply-to: miles2go@cheerful.com

IF I am an "extreme right-wing" "Clinton Hater,"
 that necessarily implies the existence of "extreme
 left-wing" "Clinton Lovers."  I therefore  
 challenge all you Clinton Lovers, especially those
 of you with impressive math backgrounds, to
 compute for me the probability that in the normal
 course of events during the last 4 years or so,
 Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Elizabeth Ward
 Grayson (Miss Arkansas & Miss America '83
 who claimed to have had sex with Clinton), Billy
 Dale (head of White House Travel Office
 acquitted in 30 minutes of embezzlement charges
 brought by the Clintons) and most recently,
 Juanita Broaddrick (alleged that Clinton raped
 her), would all have been audited by the Federal
 IRS.  You can express the probability in terms of
 say, 1 chance in "X" number of opportunities
 (like the odds of winning the lottery), or perhaps
 you could simply use the "slithering" scale of
 "10" with 0 being "most unlikely" and 10 being
 highly likely.

               ---John Allen (Class of '66)

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Subj: Richland's legacy
Verla Farrens Gardner '61
verlag@bctonline.com

For me I like it when war is a card game and a
 water balloon is the ultimate weapon.

No matter how much Jell-O we put in a swimming
 pool we will not be able to walk on water.

              - Verla Farrens Gardner '61

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Subj: Because He's a Little Boy?  Or is it because
 we hate Castro?
From:   Linda Reining Pitchford (64)
Wabbithabit@aol.com

I am not sure if everyone is tired of the Elian
 Gonzales saga or not, but I have just a few
 thoughts that I would like to express, that I have
 not seen elsewhere.  has anyone considered what
 the outcome would have been if the roles had
 been reversed?  if his father had taken him,
 without the mother's permission, and had
 drowned, we would have immediately sent him
 home to be with his mother!!!!!!!!  regardless of
 the fact that he was from a Communist country,
 we would never have kept him from his mother! 
 if the media had stayed out of it, he would have
 been home a long time ago!!!!!!!!!  and as for
 granting him asylum, why should he get that
 privilege when there are others waiting for the
 same thing, and they are being sent home
 without any interference from the media??????? 
 is it because he is a little boy or because of our
 our hatred for Castro?  

             - Linda Reining Pitchford (64)

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Subj:   In Memorium
From:   Bob Mattson 64
Rmat683939@aol.com

A son who had broken off with his family before
 his effort in the Nam was over, finally called to
 talk. He said he would like to come home, but he
 would like to bring a friend home to live with
 them also, who was missing an arm and leg. 

They said, "What a burden on a family. "You
 are welcome, but your friend can only visit."

A few years went by without further word from
 the son.  One day the family was asked to
 identify the body of the son in a town across
 the state. It was then they realized it was their
 own son who'd been missing the arm and leg.

Let's try to be more compassionate friends to
 those who've become living memorials of the
 deeds and sacrifices, both of themselves and so
 many others, in the service of their country,

I picked this story up from somewhere, as you
 have, just now.

                     - Bob Mattson 64 

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