THE SANDBOX
               Great American Conversations
                   With The Alumni of RHS
                Issue 113 ~ November 13, 2000

  "Even if you are on the right track, you'll still
   get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers

Contents:

From France: U.S. Election 2000: 
What Do You Think About What Happened?
Monique Mangold Beaucour (80 - Foreign Exchange Student)

Raising Kids on "Luck?"
Glynn Gregg (RHS spouse)

Like a Light In the Fog
Mike Pearson (74)

Election 2000: 
The Eye-Hand-Brain Coordination Factor.
Vernon BRUCE Brunelle (62)

There Oughta be a Law
Chuck Monasmith (65)

Comments on Comments
Patty de la Bretonne '65

Election 2000: Response and Overview  
Jerry Lewis `73

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Subj: From France: U.S. Election 2000: 
What Do You Think About What Happened?
Monique Mangold Beaucour (80)
beaucour@infonie.fr

About the presidential elections, I asked some
 people here in August for who they would vote...
 now I would like to know what you think about
 what happened. Don't worry, it's just an American
 modern history subject for me.

             Monique Mangold Beaucour (80)

[Monique was an exchange student at RHS]

                                 ~~~

Subj:    Raising Kids on "Luck?"
From:   Glynn Gregg (RHS spouse) - Pasco, WA
mmgregg@3-cities.com

Glynn Gregg here, (husband of Millie Finch Gregg (54).
Just a note to the person who said the mother raised her
kids on luck, I thought it was hard work. I consider
"luck" an insult.  thanks for letting me sound off.

      ~ Glynn Gregg, Pasco (misplaced Texan.) ~

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Subj: Like a Light In the Fog
From: Mike Pearson (74)
Ellensburg, WA
mikewpearson@mail.com

Like a light in a fog, our minds vaguely comprehend the
secrets of the universe.  Do we care about pathways and
habits whereby our minds process information, both
chemical and conceptual? These would require actual
thought to plumb, but how can we not?  Food and ideas
will both greatly affect the year's passage through life.
Each religion has a different way of explaining how to do
your best with those.  But why do we not think much more
about this?  And not only think, but intuit much more
too.

                      ~ Mike Pearson ~

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Subj: Election 2000: 
The Eye-Hand-Brain Coordination Factor.
Vernon B. Brunelle (62)
Las Vegas, NV.
vbrunelle@juno.com

I am so sorry to see that 19,000 people in one county in
Florida have lost eye-hand-brain coordination and were
unable to vote using a ballot of the type that have been
used in that same county for over a decade. It may be a
good idea to disregard the votes of the people that were
not able to figure out the ballot.  

Whoops, seems that is what happened. Gee now I have
nothing to complain about or any solution to propose.

I liked the statement from a third grader in Appalachia,
"This is so simple that my little brother could do it."

I to have little brothers.  I hope that all of them could
still "...do it."

                 ~ Vernon B. Brunelle ~

[No wonder some people don't want their water "Floridated."]

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Subj:   There Oughta be a Law
From:   Chuck Monasmith RHS (65)
msmith@owt.com

Peggy Wallen, I appreciated your frustration that led to
blocking your telephone from solicitors. Anyone remember
those cartoons in the Sunday TCH "There Oughta Be A Law"?
I did not like that cartoon because so many of the
cartoons were of people wanting laws that were
unnecessary if the offenders would only show
consideration or intelligence or self control or some
other character trait that makes good citizens.  However,
in the case of telephone solicitors... Why should I pay
for a service that inconveniences my friends and business
associates just to avoid unwanted solicitors?  

Why isn't there a law that say all telephone solicitors
in the state must pay a tax that covers the cost of
everyone who wants that blocking service? Why can't we
have the service block their phones from calling us so
our friends are not inconvenienced?  Better yet, Why
don't we just cut out their tongues?

BTW I received a number of Veterans Day cards from
friends who knew I had served.  It really felt good to be
given a thank you for serving our country.

Chuck Monasmith RHS (65) Still in Richland, The Richland
with traffic lights and good water!

                                  ~~~

Subj:   Comments on Comments
From:   Patty de la Bretonne '65
Seattle
Pia5847@aol.com

To: Peggy Hartnett in Sandbox 111
 You go girl! Thanks for your comments.

To Linda McKnight, in Sandbox 111
 I really appreciate your thoughtful and timely remarks
here. Thanks. If you're ever up this way, call me.

           ~ Patty de la Bretonne '65 Seattle ~

                                  ~~~

Subj: Election 2000: Responses and Overview  
From: Jerry Lewis `73
jlewis@owt.com

Responding to Dennis Robertson Beatty

 "...but then, maybe I am too early.  There is a simple
solution.  Finish the recount and fix the system for the
next session.  Anyone thinking a re-vote is a solution
has just denied 100 million people the..."

I agree with that. It's too bad the ballot was confusing
(and probably illegal), but it happened and it probably
wouldn't be right to re-vote now that everyone knows what
the stakes are.

   "On Albert Gore......It appears you have the majority
vote but then once again you are trying to change the
rules after the game is over.  When you entered this
fracas you knew, or should have, that it was the
electoral college that counted (right or wrong) and that
is the law.  Quit your whining and go by the vote.  If
you don't like it move to New York..."

The problem is that if the manual recount does turn up
enough votes to unseat Bush, then what? Everyone is
peering over the vote counters shoulders so it's likely
there won't be fraud.  I'm sure the Republican
representatives are challenging any questionable counts
for Gore.  Then should Bush's camp stop whining and go by
the vote? Manual recounts are not totally unusual in
close elections, and a New York Times says today:

"Florida law permits a manual recount when a candidate
believes there were errors in an election, and Democrats
point out that Governor Bush signed a similar law in
Texas."
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/12/politics/12CND-ELECT.html

   "...came out.  It is amazing that Gerald Ford and
Richard Nixon had more class than Mr. Clean, the Clinton-
Clone.  I was buying that one about Nixon too, but Slate
reports something different: 

"Far from "accepting the verdict," close Nixon aides Bob
Finch and Len Hall dispatched operatives to investigate
voter fraud in several states, as David Greenberg wrote
in Slate last month. Within three days of the election,
the GOP chairman had called for investigations and
recounts in 11 states. Recounts were mounted, grand
juries were impaneled, and the FBI was called in. The
press also investigated the charges. "
http://slate.msn.com/code/PressBox/PressBox.asp?Show=11/9/2000&idMessage=6459

Slate has another interesting article dressed up as a
proposed letter from Gore to Bush.  It'll never happen,
but it's kind of amusing:
http://slate.msn.com/Readme/00-11-10/Readme.asp

I think it's not a bad idea.  Gore should realize that if
he manages to pull it off, the next four years are going
to be pretty gruesome. I doubt they will be much better
for Bush either if he finally prevails. Going by the
pattern of the last quarter century, this presidency is
likely to be a one-termer followed by a strong candidate
from the opposite party who hangs around for a while.  I
was proposing this scenario since before the election,
and believe more strongly in it given the closeness of
this contest. I am not alone - hearing good supporting
arguments from as diverse places as NPR and newsmax.com
(see below).

Quoting Mary Ray Henslee:
 "...you can go into http://www.newsmax.com and..."

I'm happy to have your source so I can go evaluate it
myself.  I went there and found it to be an interesting
site.  The slant is obviously and in many ways,
unrelentingly conservative and Republican leaning. So I
would take much of what it says with a scoop of salt. I
mean, with several big links about how Clinton/Gore
'undermined American Democracy' and similar, it's hard to
miss the slant. Nonetheless, there's some interesting
commentary including something that confirmed my
suggestion in the previous paragraph:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/10/71415.shtml
and another about how Bush should pull it out of the fire
to save 'his presidency'
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/12/22914.shtml
 something that the recount may recast as 'Gore's
presidency'.  In that article, Christopher Ruddy suggests
that Bush listen less to his advisers and go by his gut
feelings. As an aside, my wife asked me today which of
Bush's expert and knowledgeable advisers is he going to
listen to, meaning he may have the 'best' team around -
but the buck stops with him.

And in between all the conservative reports, there are
actually articles by Hillary Clinton, who we all know,
and Alexander Cockburn, who as I recall, was the Wall
Street Journal's token liberal.  I didn't check all of
the commentators out, so there might be a few more
liberals there.  Maybe it's a way for the conservatives
to keep an eye on the enemy.

They also appeared to be one of the first to report the
results of the preliminary hand recount - and their total
appears to have been right - the NY Times was reporting a
different figure.

Anyway, all for now - dinner is waiting.  Glad to be
writing about something other than source attribution,
though after all that complaining, I felt obliged to
document everything, which does slow down the process. Oh
well.

         ~Jerry  Lewis  *  jlewis@owt.com  * ~                      
         ~  http://www.owt.com/users/jlewis/ ~

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