The SANDBOX
               Great American Conversations
                   With The Alumni of RHS
                Issue 114 ~ November 26, 2000

 "Democracy is a charming form of government, full of
 variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality
 to equals and unequal alike."
                                ~ Plato ~

Contents:

     Thanksgiving again, Where did this year go?
     Andrew Eckert (54)

     The Election
     Jim Vache Class of '64

     One of My Favorite Will Roger's Sayings
     From:  Lynn Noble Padden '74

     Chill A Little
     Dave Doran (72)

     Sarcasm
     Kathy Hodgson Lucas (76)

     Telephone Solicitors
     Dore Tyler (53)

     The Electoral College:  Checks and Balances
     From: A Bomber Friend via Chuck Holtz (55)

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Subj:  Thanksgiving again, Where did this year go?
Date:   11/20/2000  
From:   Andrew Eckert (54)  ~  ECKERT1108@aol.com

We call things that frighten us "news" and have an
insatiable appetite for it, while the things that should
make us Grateful, Happy, Relaxed and Loving should be
referred to as Life, We rarely even talk about these
things!  That's amazing!  The "news" is not real; Hugs
are real! Love is what its all about.

This Thanksgiving, focus on the world you have right at
your fingertips.  The "real" world is made up of friends
and work, your cats and your hobbies.  The "real" world
is full of books, the crabgrass in the yard, and those
darn dogs!  The time you spend with your children and
especially the grand children.  Enjoy it, and take a
moment to be thankful!

Andrew Eckert (54)

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Subj:  The Election
From: Jim Vache (64)  ~  jvache@willamette.edu

I just can't resist. The confusion between politics and
law is understandable, but problematic. Both candidates
have now switched positions so many times that one cannot
isolate the problem. For those who take the position that
the "democrats" or hated "liberals"- the latter of which
would include F. Roosevelt, H. Truman Magnuson and
Jackson, who are the human beings other than Einstein,
Hitler and the Emperor of Japan most responsible for
there being Bombers after about 1948-hold the monopoly on
using the courts to advance a political agenda, think
again. One need only examine the opinions of Justices
Scalia and Thomas on the big court, or Judge Posner in
the 7th circuit to see judicial activists who happen to
be conservatives at work. Then go back two generations to
examine the work of the court in the 1930's, trumping the
"people's will" by crabbed examination of the commerce
clause and the due process class to defeat The New Deal.
Then go back another generation to the era of substantive
due process where the court routinely struck down any
form of legislation that balanced the playing field
between workers and employees, trashing states rights
along the way (the era of judicial supremecy). And so on.
I could name and verify dozens of points in the legal
process and history where activism ran in a different
direction. Here is a test: Should the Court reverse Roe
v. Wade AND prohibit the states from enacting "liberal"
abortion laws? or another test: should the first Chief
Justice Marshall's opinion in Marbury v. Madison (for a
unanimous court) that first established the notion of
judicial review of legislative acts be disestablished in
the canon?

The point? I am not sure there is one, except to say that
the use and misuse of the judicial process is a tactic
that both "sides" use, and it is simply not very
compelling to argue that one side is "worse" than the
other on this matter. The problem is probably much
deeper: we have to resort to law because our normative
agreements that form our republic are fading. This
comment from a lawyer, no less :).

Jim Vache (64)
Visiting Professor
Willamette University College of Law
Salem, Oregon

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Subj:   One of My Favorite Will Roger's Sayings
From:  Lynn Noble Padden 74)  ~  BandLPaden@aol.com

That's one of my favorite Will Rogers' sayings. I use it
in management classes.

[Referring to Quote in issue #113 repeated as follows:

  "Even if you are on the right track, you'll still get
run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers   ]

-- Lynn

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Subj:    Chill A Little
From:   Dave Doran (72)  ~  Salt4385@aol.com

OK, I never meant to suggest footnotes and bibliographies
and I only meant that, if you didn't originate an entire
piece and yet wanted to sign your name to it, you should
reflect that you are 'borrowing' someone else's thoughts
not entirely your own. We know that you probably didn't
pen the Gettysburg Address either but when you sign your
name to it, it looks silly and might give readers the
wrong impression. 

And why has The Sandbox become so personally snitty
anyway? Sheesh! Chill a little. If you have to feel
defensive about your opinion re: others then maybe you
will want to rethink a bit.

Dave Doran (72)

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Subj:   Sarcasm
From:  Kathy Hodgson Lucas (76)  ~  KATHLUC@aol.com

I find it curious that Peggy Hartnett (72), Issue 111,
thinks my comments are sarcastic.  Apparently you either
didn't read the letters to which I was replying, or your
bias is showing.

Kathy Hodgson Lucas (76)

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Your moderater asks:

You've heard a lot about Harry Potter lately.  How many
of you remember Beatrix Potter?

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Subj:   Telephone Solicitors
From:   Dore Tyler (53)  ~ dee_tee@msn.com 
Tacoma, WA (in the book)
 
Re: telephone solicitors

My sister, Janet (61) forwarded an Email describing an
interesting process to discourage the louts.

It was a long discourse relating inane and repetitive
questions geared toward keeping the (commission paid)
caller on the line for as long as (you or) (s)he will
tolerate the UNPRODUCTIVE time spent.

Hopefully the louts keep lists of unproductive phone
numbers and in (as short) time the number of calls will
dwindle considerably.

I think that a government (attempt at a) solution would
open a can of worms that could make an unpleasant meal,
given The Gov-mints recent record of producing seemingly
needed regulation of peoples behavior that have produced
seemingly (?) unintended negative consequences for our
dwindling personal freedoms.

As my old friend and fellow army inlistee Bob/Mike would
say, "that's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it (for now,
anyway)

Dore Tyler (53) ~ Tacoma, WA (in the book)

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Subj:  The Electoral College:  Checks and Balances
From: A Bomber Friend via Chuck Holtz ~ chuck2820@hotmail.com

One of the things that dismays me about this close
election is how many folks think we live in a Democracy -
not a Republic.

Widespread negative comments about the Electoral College
show the public is unaware or unappreciative that the
Electoral College is part of our "checks and balances"  -
--   just like the way we apportion the U.S. Senate.

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Lots of good things in the hopper already, waiting for
issue #115!  See you then!    -ap

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